1 00:00:11,860 --> 00:00:09,100 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:13,940 --> 00:00:11,870 from Australia for science and reason 3 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:13,950 [Music] 4 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:16,850 [Applause] 5 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:23,050 [Music] 6 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:25,730 yes it's the skeptic zone podcast 7 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:30,250 episode number 554 for the 2nd of June 8 00:00:36,369 --> 00:00:33,530 2019 Richard Saunders here with you from 9 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:36,379 Sydney Australia coming up on this 10 00:00:42,130 --> 00:00:38,890 week's show chemtrails contrails 11 00:00:45,700 --> 00:00:42,140 condensation trails chemical trails we 12 00:00:47,500 --> 00:00:45,710 speak to Ken MacLeod a very active part 13 00:00:50,049 --> 00:00:47,510 of the skeptical community here in 14 00:00:52,329 --> 00:00:50,059 Australia and he is a retired air 15 00:00:55,049 --> 00:00:52,339 traffic controller he's going to be 16 00:00:57,579 --> 00:00:55,059 talking about contrails chemtrails 17 00:01:00,490 --> 00:00:57,589 because recently just in the last week 18 00:01:05,370 --> 00:01:00,500 ken was on national TV here in Australia 19 00:01:07,210 --> 00:01:05,380 to debate a u.s. expert in chemtrails 20 00:01:10,719 --> 00:01:07,220 naturally there'll be a link to that 21 00:01:12,550 --> 00:01:10,729 video in this week's show notes what's 22 00:01:14,550 --> 00:01:12,560 it all about find out with Ken MacLeod 23 00:01:17,649 --> 00:01:14,560 coming up at the top of the show 24 00:01:21,670 --> 00:01:17,659 following that UFOs talking about things 25 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:21,680 in the sky UFOs the first 50 years now 26 00:01:26,230 --> 00:01:23,930 this was written 20 years ago by dr. 27 00:01:28,900 --> 00:01:26,240 Steve Roberts a a good friend of a 28 00:01:30,700 --> 00:01:28,910 skeptic zone this is from the the pages 29 00:01:33,460 --> 00:01:30,710 of the skeptic magazine the journal from 30 00:01:39,790 --> 00:01:33,470 Australian skeptics and Steve takes a 31 00:01:43,300 --> 00:01:39,800 look on how UFO culture mirrors movie 32 00:01:47,830 --> 00:01:43,310 culture how UFOs and aliens have been 33 00:01:51,370 --> 00:01:47,840 portrayed in popular movies well for the 34 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:51,380 past 70 years really and aliens have 35 00:01:56,649 --> 00:01:54,770 certainly changed over time then we have 36 00:01:59,230 --> 00:01:56,659 an interview from the pint of science 37 00:02:01,090 --> 00:01:59,240 program which is on at the moment in 38 00:02:03,250 --> 00:02:01,100 Australia and this is an interview with 39 00:02:06,070 --> 00:02:03,260 Melinda Wilson who is helping to 40 00:02:07,990 --> 00:02:06,080 reintroduce Australian species back into 41 00:02:09,249 --> 00:02:08,000 their natural habitat and it's good to 42 00:02:11,649 --> 00:02:09,259 hear about these sort of things from 43 00:02:15,309 --> 00:02:11,659 time to time a bit of real science a 44 00:02:18,130 --> 00:02:15,319 real good story through your feel-good 45 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:18,140 story coming up on the skeptic zone now 46 00:02:20,770 --> 00:02:20,090 if you're in Sydney and you like a night 47 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:20,780 out 48 00:02:24,699 --> 00:02:22,970 stay tuned towards the end of the show 49 00:02:27,640 --> 00:02:24,709 where you'll hear may not talk about his 50 00:02:30,490 --> 00:02:27,650 upcoming movie night this Tuesday night 51 00:02:32,020 --> 00:02:30,500 in glebe in Sydney and if you can't wait 52 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:32,030 to hear the details just run right now 53 00:02:36,789 --> 00:02:34,010 to Maynard com 54 00:02:38,470 --> 00:02:36,799 da-rae you and you'll see more and also 55 00:02:41,740 --> 00:02:38,480 buy some tickets 56 00:02:44,319 --> 00:02:41,750 oh it's moored the cat hello Maude what 57 00:02:46,869 --> 00:02:44,329 are you doing you're going to help me 58 00:02:48,809 --> 00:02:46,879 with the show yeah you want to come over 59 00:02:54,009 --> 00:02:48,819 here come on 60 00:02:57,220 --> 00:02:54,019 hello come on yeah I think she's telling 61 00:02:58,750 --> 00:02:57,230 me yes I think she's telling me she 62 00:03:01,569 --> 00:02:58,760 wants her breakfast while I run 63 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:01,579 downstairs and feed these cats I hope 64 00:03:25,270 --> 00:03:03,370 you enjoy the skeptic zone 65 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:25,280 [Music] 66 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:27,690 joining me now from the beautiful 67 00:03:32,979 --> 00:03:29,250 Southern Highlands here in New South 68 00:03:36,620 --> 00:03:32,989 Wales it's Ken MacLeod hello Ken good 69 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:36,630 evening and morning listeners good 70 00:03:41,990 --> 00:03:38,610 evening good morning no matter where you 71 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:42,000 are in the world now you recently went 72 00:03:45,710 --> 00:03:44,250 on national TV here in Australia and 73 00:03:47,990 --> 00:03:45,720 I'll link to this in the show notes 74 00:03:50,949 --> 00:03:48,000 folks so you can see it for yourself 75 00:03:53,780 --> 00:03:50,959 to talk about this weird topic of 76 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:53,790 chemtrails or contrails than no matter 77 00:03:58,970 --> 00:03:56,610 what you want to call them the show was 78 00:03:59,870 --> 00:03:58,980 called Studio 10 and you were up against 79 00:04:07,309 --> 00:03:59,880 an expert 80 00:04:08,660 --> 00:04:07,319 Dane Whittington now from the start why 81 00:04:13,820 --> 00:04:08,670 are you so interested in these 82 00:04:15,289 --> 00:04:13,830 chemtrails and contrails okay I my 83 00:04:18,789 --> 00:04:15,299 working career was in air traffic 84 00:04:22,310 --> 00:04:18,799 control which had search-and-rescue 85 00:04:23,840 --> 00:04:22,320 responsibilities and while our phone 86 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:23,850 number was in the phone book we would 87 00:04:28,909 --> 00:04:25,530 get lots of phone calls from members of 88 00:04:31,700 --> 00:04:28,919 the public accusing us of enabling the 89 00:04:34,340 --> 00:04:31,710 dumping of fuel over their house and all 90 00:04:36,740 --> 00:04:34,350 the airplanes were on fire airplanes 91 00:04:37,790 --> 00:04:36,750 were crashing UFOs all that sort of 92 00:04:40,390 --> 00:04:37,800 thing 93 00:04:44,390 --> 00:04:40,400 so I became interested in what 94 00:04:46,670 --> 00:04:44,400 condensation trails really are and as as 95 00:04:50,210 --> 00:04:46,680 I move towards the skeptics in the late 96 00:04:52,850 --> 00:04:50,220 90s I became interested in the phenomena 97 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:52,860 of the chemtrail conspiracy theory and 98 00:04:57,469 --> 00:04:56,130 so I followed that forever and for my 99 00:04:59,950 --> 00:04:57,479 sins 100 00:05:03,230 --> 00:04:59,960 channel 10 asked me to go on last week 101 00:05:05,840 --> 00:05:03,240 yeah it was an interesting interesting 102 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:05,850 exercise for you but exactly what are 103 00:05:11,420 --> 00:05:08,610 these contrails okay well there's two 104 00:05:13,909 --> 00:05:11,430 types of condensation trail the one that 105 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:13,919 you will see often if when you go out to 106 00:05:20,150 --> 00:05:17,490 the airport on a wet day is low-flying 107 00:05:24,010 --> 00:05:20,160 aircraft coming in to land or maybe 108 00:05:26,210 --> 00:05:24,020 departing will leave a very short-lived 109 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:26,220 condensation trail behind them and 110 00:05:32,900 --> 00:05:29,330 that's what's called an aerodynamic 111 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:32,910 condensation trail and the 112 00:05:38,510 --> 00:05:35,970 that is the wing of an aircraft is 113 00:05:41,150 --> 00:05:38,520 designed to create an area of low 114 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:41,160 pressure over the wing and where you get 115 00:05:45,650 --> 00:05:43,170 a drop in atmospheric pressure you get a 116 00:05:48,490 --> 00:05:45,660 drop in temperature and quite often 117 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:48,500 that's just enough to condense the water 118 00:05:55,280 --> 00:05:52,170 gas in the atmosphere into a liquid 119 00:05:58,010 --> 00:05:55,290 and that'll also happen around in the 120 00:06:01,480 --> 00:05:58,020 vortices of aircraft sharp engines like 121 00:06:05,660 --> 00:06:01,490 at the the corners of flaps ailerons etc 122 00:06:07,730 --> 00:06:05,670 now the condensation trail that most 123 00:06:11,210 --> 00:06:07,740 excites the conspiracy theorists is 124 00:06:14,510 --> 00:06:11,220 another one which is the product of the 125 00:06:16,220 --> 00:06:14,520 burning of the fuel uh-huh and that's 126 00:06:19,700 --> 00:06:16,230 caused that is called 127 00:06:22,970 --> 00:06:19,710 an exhaust contrail now anyone who did 128 00:06:26,150 --> 00:06:22,980 high school science will know that if 129 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:26,160 you burn a hydrocarbon the products are 130 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:30,810 co2 and h2o water now you can you can do 131 00:06:35,840 --> 00:06:33,090 the sums on the chemical equation but 132 00:06:38,330 --> 00:06:35,850 roughly for every ton of fuel you burn 133 00:06:43,220 --> 00:06:38,340 you get slightly more than a ton of 134 00:06:46,370 --> 00:06:43,230 water created now at low temperatures 135 00:06:51,790 --> 00:06:46,380 above 26,000 feet which is about minus 136 00:06:54,650 --> 00:06:51,800 35 degrees centigrade that water 137 00:06:57,230 --> 00:06:54,660 molecule will can will condense into a 138 00:06:59,090 --> 00:06:57,240 nice particle and depending on the 139 00:07:02,680 --> 00:06:59,100 atmospheric conditions temperature 140 00:07:05,930 --> 00:07:02,690 humidity angle of the Sun etc those 141 00:07:08,740 --> 00:07:05,940 exhaust contrails can last a very long 142 00:07:11,900 --> 00:07:08,750 time and they can be dissipated over the 143 00:07:13,700 --> 00:07:11,910 over the area and can form quite a dense 144 00:07:16,340 --> 00:07:13,710 blanket if there's enough of them and 145 00:07:19,100 --> 00:07:16,350 they last long enough so they that's 146 00:07:20,810 --> 00:07:19,110 what they are I see yes I remember when 147 00:07:22,730 --> 00:07:20,820 I used to live in Europe many years ago 148 00:07:25,730 --> 00:07:22,740 looking up and seeing in frequently a 149 00:07:27,590 --> 00:07:25,740 crisscross of these trails across the 150 00:07:29,690 --> 00:07:27,600 sky but one of the things that these 151 00:07:31,940 --> 00:07:29,700 conspiracy theory people love to talk 152 00:07:33,740 --> 00:07:31,950 about is the way that humans are 153 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:33,750 interfering or trying to modify the 154 00:07:38,210 --> 00:07:36,210 climate of the world and I believe this 155 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:38,220 is tied in closely with the the 156 00:07:43,790 --> 00:07:42,210 chemtrail conspiracy yeah the accusation 157 00:07:46,500 --> 00:07:43,800 is now you'll have to keep up here 158 00:07:50,370 --> 00:07:46,510 Richard the original 159 00:07:53,150 --> 00:07:50,380 spirited theory was that the chemtrails 160 00:07:56,190 --> 00:07:53,160 are actually the spraying of chemicals 161 00:07:59,040 --> 00:07:56,200 intended to stupefy the population to 162 00:08:00,900 --> 00:07:59,050 Dallas or town to be more dull and we 163 00:08:04,050 --> 00:08:00,910 really are and that was to make a stay 164 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:04,060 silent and enable the takeover by aliens 165 00:08:10,110 --> 00:08:06,490 KGB CIA 166 00:08:12,950 --> 00:08:10,120 Illuminati etc the conspiracy theories 167 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:12,960 moved on in the last couple of years to 168 00:08:18,150 --> 00:08:16,090 climate modification so we're not being 169 00:08:21,090 --> 00:08:18,160 dulled down anymore 170 00:08:21,780 --> 00:08:21,100 it's all about altering the Earth's 171 00:08:25,050 --> 00:08:21,790 climate 172 00:08:29,940 --> 00:08:25,060 supposedly in response to global warming 173 00:08:32,940 --> 00:08:29,950 and keep up Richard the constraint it's 174 00:08:35,730 --> 00:08:32,950 pure asleep theory has moved on it's now 175 00:08:38,100 --> 00:08:35,740 all about spraying GMOs genetically 176 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:38,110 modified organisms but I'm not able to 177 00:08:43,530 --> 00:08:41,650 find out the intent of that so our 178 00:08:45,270 --> 00:08:43,540 climate is being modified we're being 179 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:45,280 dulled down and we're being sprayed with 180 00:08:51,570 --> 00:08:49,210 GMOs but I still think they're the 181 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:51,580 Illuminati are behind us all for sure oh 182 00:08:55,980 --> 00:08:54,130 absolutely for sure now other people 183 00:08:58,110 --> 00:08:55,990 would point out to the fact that there 184 00:08:59,880 --> 00:08:58,120 are I don't know there are hundreds of 185 00:09:02,580 --> 00:08:59,890 photographs and videos on the internet 186 00:09:05,930 --> 00:09:02,590 showing aircraft spraying vapor clouds 187 00:09:08,190 --> 00:09:05,940 and they seem to have nozzles and 188 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:08,200 barrels and things hooked up to pipes 189 00:09:11,790 --> 00:09:09,370 what's that all about 190 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:11,800 okay well there's only a couple of 191 00:09:18,290 --> 00:09:14,650 photographs but and a couple of videos 192 00:09:20,910 --> 00:09:18,300 but they've been they've been repeated 193 00:09:24,030 --> 00:09:20,920 reposted millions of times there are a 194 00:09:27,690 --> 00:09:24,040 couple of videos some of the videos are 195 00:09:29,790 --> 00:09:27,700 the arid or dynamic condensation which 196 00:09:32,370 --> 00:09:29,800 can happen as I said at low altitudes 197 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:32,380 mmm-hmm but the photographs and videos 198 00:09:39,330 --> 00:09:35,650 of the barrels in aircraft come from two 199 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:39,340 sources NASA and Boeing did a study back 200 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:42,850 in the 70s of a phenomenon that had only 201 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:45,370 just been being detected called wake 202 00:09:51,330 --> 00:09:47,650 turbulence and with the arrival of the 203 00:09:54,630 --> 00:09:51,340 wide-body 747 wake turbulence became a 204 00:09:56,580 --> 00:09:54,640 huge safety concern for pilots and air 205 00:10:00,000 --> 00:09:56,590 traffic controllers and it wasn't well 206 00:10:02,220 --> 00:10:00,010 understood so Boeing and NASA conduct 207 00:10:06,930 --> 00:10:02,230 study which involved the spraying of 208 00:10:10,770 --> 00:10:06,940 water out of nozzles behind Boeing 747 209 00:10:15,050 --> 00:10:10,780 to determine how exactly wake turbulence 210 00:10:18,450 --> 00:10:15,060 behaves and incidentally the surprise 211 00:10:23,070 --> 00:10:18,460 finding was that wake turbulence can be 212 00:10:26,970 --> 00:10:23,080 very extensive can cover a large area 213 00:10:30,810 --> 00:10:26,980 and lasts a very long time and the the 214 00:10:34,410 --> 00:10:30,820 other phenomena or the other group of 215 00:10:36,350 --> 00:10:34,420 photographs as simply showing the air 216 00:10:40,260 --> 00:10:36,360 word--the and a certification process 217 00:10:42,900 --> 00:10:40,270 with barrels of water inside a prototype 218 00:10:44,820 --> 00:10:42,910 aircraft hmm and the water is pumped 219 00:10:47,430 --> 00:10:44,830 around to alter the weight and balance 220 00:10:51,150 --> 00:10:47,440 of the aircraft and so there's perfectly 221 00:10:53,930 --> 00:10:51,160 rational explanations for both sets of 222 00:10:56,850 --> 00:10:53,940 photographs now that hasn't prevented 223 00:10:58,950 --> 00:10:56,860 people altering the photographs - 224 00:11:01,320 --> 00:10:58,960 supposedly support their conspiracy 225 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:01,330 theory and I have detected some 226 00:11:06,420 --> 00:11:03,130 photographs that have clearly been 227 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:06,430 doctored but the that's what it's all 228 00:11:11,190 --> 00:11:09,010 about perfectly rational explanation no 229 00:11:13,350 --> 00:11:11,200 it's no surprise there but why are there 230 00:11:15,450 --> 00:11:13,360 people then the conspiracy people saying 231 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:15,460 that the government and NASA and so on 232 00:11:20,130 --> 00:11:18,490 CIA for example they say they they claim 233 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:20,140 they've admitted to it or they've got 234 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:22,210 experts who won't speak publicly but 235 00:11:28,410 --> 00:11:25,450 it's a it's all been uncovered well 236 00:11:30,660 --> 00:11:28,420 every conspiracy theory Biden by 237 00:11:34,050 --> 00:11:30,670 definition requires some government 238 00:11:36,450 --> 00:11:34,060 whistleblower to remain yeah you know 239 00:11:39,540 --> 00:11:36,460 covered up in the background confirming 240 00:11:41,820 --> 00:11:39,550 this is true yes but but all governments 241 00:11:43,980 --> 00:11:41,830 have acknowledged is that yes they have 242 00:11:47,850 --> 00:11:43,990 done err Worth and certification they 243 00:11:50,130 --> 00:11:47,860 have studied wake turbulence I'm also 244 00:11:53,790 --> 00:11:50,140 interested in the psychology of it right 245 00:11:57,210 --> 00:11:53,800 a really good conspiracy theory requires 246 00:12:00,660 --> 00:11:57,220 just a germ of truth so there was 247 00:12:03,690 --> 00:12:00,670 spraying of a water vapor scientists 248 00:12:07,500 --> 00:12:03,700 have discussed altering the climate by 249 00:12:10,050 --> 00:12:07,510 putting solar shields in the atmosphere 250 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:10,060 or even into orbit but there is no 251 00:12:13,860 --> 00:12:12,370 program there has never been a program 252 00:12:16,260 --> 00:12:13,870 of trying to alter 253 00:12:18,810 --> 00:12:16,270 world's climate by spraying out 254 00:12:22,140 --> 00:12:18,820 chemtrails now let's distinguish that 255 00:12:25,260 --> 00:12:22,150 from a process that began back in the 256 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:25,270 50s of cloud seeding uh and that was 257 00:12:32,310 --> 00:12:28,930 that was an attempt to alter local 258 00:12:34,140 --> 00:12:32,320 weather by generating rain I gather it's 259 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:34,150 not been a great success we're going to 260 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:36,970 take this but that is very different to 261 00:12:42,030 --> 00:12:39,010 the climate alteration that the 262 00:12:43,410 --> 00:12:42,040 conspiracy theorists are so fond of now 263 00:12:45,690 --> 00:12:43,420 I remember 264 00:12:47,790 --> 00:12:45,700 viewing the video Oh actually I watched 265 00:12:51,420 --> 00:12:47,800 it live when you're on TV one of the 266 00:12:54,030 --> 00:12:51,430 things that Dwayne Whittington did was 267 00:12:56,519 --> 00:12:54,040 to claim he had a what was it a general 268 00:12:58,740 --> 00:12:56,529 who admitted to all this in the 269 00:13:01,470 --> 00:12:58,750 background there so that's something 270 00:13:04,140 --> 00:13:01,480 that you really can't refute on the spot 271 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:04,150 isn't it no you cannot refute that on 272 00:13:07,950 --> 00:13:06,130 the spot I mean unless you know all we 273 00:13:11,790 --> 00:13:07,960 can do is challenge them to produce this 274 00:13:14,579 --> 00:13:11,800 general yeah now again there was just a 275 00:13:19,050 --> 00:13:14,589 germ of truth in one thing he said and 276 00:13:20,820 --> 00:13:19,060 he claims that scientists and coin you 277 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:20,830 know climate scientists particularly had 278 00:13:27,660 --> 00:13:23,410 been forbidden by the US government to 279 00:13:30,630 --> 00:13:27,670 discuss chemtrails yes there is a germ 280 00:13:32,730 --> 00:13:30,640 of truth in that in that the current US 281 00:13:34,500 --> 00:13:32,740 government has forbidden climate 282 00:13:37,890 --> 00:13:34,510 scientists who work for the government 283 00:13:39,690 --> 00:13:37,900 to discuss global warming now that's a 284 00:13:41,630 --> 00:13:39,700 different subject altogether global 285 00:13:44,670 --> 00:13:41,640 warming exists it is a threat to our 286 00:13:46,110 --> 00:13:44,680 civilization and to my mind scientists 287 00:13:49,260 --> 00:13:46,120 should be allowed to discuss these 288 00:13:51,210 --> 00:13:49,270 things and open public forums but the US 289 00:13:53,250 --> 00:13:51,220 government for their political reasons 290 00:13:55,380 --> 00:13:53,260 there's banned that so there was a germ 291 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:55,390 of truth of what he said but I think he 292 00:14:00,690 --> 00:13:57,610 was basically being dishonest because he 293 00:14:02,579 --> 00:14:00,700 waved a form at us on the TV cameras 294 00:14:03,780 --> 00:14:02,589 which didn't really support what he said 295 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:03,790 yeah 296 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:06,010 now folks I again I will link to this 297 00:14:10,230 --> 00:14:07,690 video in the show notes and you can see 298 00:14:12,810 --> 00:14:10,240 it for yourself and what you and I know 299 00:14:15,390 --> 00:14:12,820 is Gish galloping is where your opponent 300 00:14:18,030 --> 00:14:15,400 will just come up with endless reams and 301 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:18,040 reams and reams of claims mixed in with 302 00:14:22,650 --> 00:14:20,370 a few facts mixed in with a few 303 00:14:24,340 --> 00:14:22,660 unbelievable statements and you are left 304 00:14:26,290 --> 00:14:24,350 struggling to try and come 305 00:14:28,210 --> 00:14:26,300 at the mall although our friend dr. Kyle 306 00:14:31,750 --> 00:14:28,220 Cruz menisci likes the term garbage 307 00:14:33,940 --> 00:14:31,760 galloping now you'll see all that 308 00:14:35,770 --> 00:14:33,950 conspiracy theories as we've discussed 309 00:14:38,740 --> 00:14:35,780 on the skeptic zone many times it's like 310 00:14:42,070 --> 00:14:38,750 a rabbit hole and endless warren of dead 311 00:14:44,230 --> 00:14:42,080 ends and false trails and in your 312 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:44,240 opinion is there any sort of link 313 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:46,850 between chemtrail conspiracy and that 314 00:14:51,250 --> 00:14:49,130 broader conspiracies are people more 315 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:51,260 likely to believe in lots of conspiracy 316 00:14:56,530 --> 00:14:54,770 theories yeah my experience I'm not 317 00:14:59,590 --> 00:14:56,540 qualified in psychology but my 318 00:15:03,100 --> 00:14:59,600 experience of skepticism in science is 319 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:03,110 that people who are vulnerable to one 320 00:15:07,810 --> 00:15:04,970 conspiracy theory are quite often 321 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:07,820 vulnerable to several and Dane Wigington 322 00:15:16,510 --> 00:15:12,890 the chemtrail conspiracy leader is also 323 00:15:19,420 --> 00:15:16,520 into the vaccine denial and 9/11 denial 324 00:15:23,260 --> 00:15:19,430 and I think he's even queried who shot 325 00:15:25,710 --> 00:15:23,270 JFK and meant everything so at the back 326 00:15:28,870 --> 00:15:25,720 of all of this is a psychological makeup 327 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:28,880 that in the absence of good hard facts 328 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:31,610 and and a good education tends to lean 329 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:35,330 towards the simplest explanation which 330 00:15:41,620 --> 00:15:38,330 quite often is a conspiracy theory but 331 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:41,630 it is an indictment on some education 332 00:15:46,990 --> 00:15:44,090 systems that people really don't 333 00:15:49,540 --> 00:15:47,000 understand basic chemistry and basic 334 00:15:51,970 --> 00:15:49,550 science about how an aircraft works and 335 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:51,980 and the fuels you know what happens to 336 00:15:55,630 --> 00:15:53,690 the fuels when they get burnt and so on 337 00:15:58,270 --> 00:15:55,640 well Ken look thanks for filling us in 338 00:16:00,700 --> 00:15:58,280 on that it was a fascinating exercise I 339 00:16:03,970 --> 00:16:00,710 think you were just the right person to 340 00:16:07,300 --> 00:16:03,980 be on it's a sort of a hiding to nowhere 341 00:16:08,770 --> 00:16:07,310 because it's it's so tough to to debate 342 00:16:10,900 --> 00:16:08,780 somebody like this I mean we've seen 343 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:10,910 this with the creationists and even to 344 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:12,890 the anti-vaxxers it's it's a hard thing 345 00:16:20,350 --> 00:16:15,290 to do and I think you did reasonably 346 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:20,360 well thank you but for now and I'm sure 347 00:16:24,130 --> 00:16:22,250 we'll speak to you again very soon ken 348 00:16:42,490 --> 00:16:24,140 MacLeod thank you very much 349 00:16:46,500 --> 00:16:42,500 okay Lavar Richard C Brisbane skeptic 350 00:16:49,449 --> 00:16:46,510 Society 2019 skeptic amp 351 00:16:52,750 --> 00:16:49,459 that's right skeptic OHS it's time once 352 00:16:53,620 --> 00:16:52,760 again for our sort of annual Brisbane 353 00:16:57,220 --> 00:16:53,630 skeptic camp 354 00:17:00,250 --> 00:16:57,230 on the 9th of June this is a free event 355 00:17:02,230 --> 00:17:00,260 where members of our community you get 356 00:17:05,079 --> 00:17:02,240 to present whatever topic you are 357 00:17:11,829 --> 00:17:05,089 passionate about we are very excited to 358 00:17:14,049 --> 00:17:11,839 be at the slideshow this year this funky 359 00:17:17,020 --> 00:17:14,059 venue is in the West End but not right 360 00:17:20,289 --> 00:17:17,030 in town where parking is terrible they 361 00:17:23,710 --> 00:17:20,299 have their own cafe on site and beers 362 00:17:25,210 --> 00:17:23,720 with vegan treats outside food is 363 00:17:27,579 --> 00:17:25,220 welcome so if you don't like their 364 00:17:29,260 --> 00:17:27,589 options you can get something delivered 365 00:17:31,900 --> 00:17:29,270 sounds too good to be true 366 00:17:35,049 --> 00:17:31,910 there are even comfy couches if you need 367 00:17:37,419 --> 00:17:35,059 time out this year we are very pleased 368 00:17:40,419 --> 00:17:37,429 our friends from the Gold Coast skeptics 369 00:17:41,500 --> 00:17:40,429 are co-hosting we also have musical 370 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:41,510 entertainment lined up 371 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:48,410 thanks to conspiracy of one with many 372 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:50,690 other venues the West End has to offer 373 00:17:56,890 --> 00:17:53,210 I'm sure there will be a few drinks 374 00:18:00,520 --> 00:17:56,900 after we wrap up as well apply to speak 375 00:18:04,570 --> 00:18:00,530 send an email to skip tonight at big 376 00:18:10,270 --> 00:18:04,580 pond calm to secure a spot that's sk EP 377 00:18:12,940 --> 00:18:10,280 t IM ite at big pond calm please include 378 00:18:17,430 --> 00:18:12,950 your name and the title of your talk if 379 00:18:23,620 --> 00:18:20,830 matze brisbane skeptic camp for 2019 on 380 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:23,630 the 9th of june for more information 381 00:18:28,330 --> 00:18:26,570 head to brisbane skeptics org or just 382 00:18:28,870 --> 00:18:28,340 follow the link in this week's show 383 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:28,880 notes 384 00:18:41,690 --> 00:18:48,010 [Music] 385 00:18:54,010 --> 00:18:51,490 I was a teenager I used to wear a 386 00:18:58,480 --> 00:18:54,020 t-shirt which I made myself screen 387 00:19:02,650 --> 00:18:58,490 printing with a little UFO on it and the 388 00:19:05,500 --> 00:19:02,660 words watch the sky and I'll never 389 00:19:07,120 --> 00:19:05,510 forget the UFO craze of the late 70s 390 00:19:08,650 --> 00:19:07,130 centered around the movie Close 391 00:19:15,070 --> 00:19:08,660 Encounters of the Third Kind 392 00:19:18,909 --> 00:19:16,810 and this has prompted me to look through 393 00:19:23,889 --> 00:19:18,919 the pages of the skeptic magazine the 394 00:19:27,190 --> 00:19:23,899 journal from Australian skeptics to 1998 395 00:19:31,389 --> 00:19:27,200 well sometime after I was a teenager in 396 00:19:34,149 --> 00:19:31,399 volume 18 number 3 on page 23 we find an 397 00:19:36,700 --> 00:19:34,159 article by dr. Steve Roberts an old 398 00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:36,710 friend of the sceptic zone UFOs the 399 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:42,320 first fifty years and I guess this could 400 00:19:51,399 --> 00:19:44,450 almost be called now UFOs the first 401 00:19:53,739 --> 00:19:51,409 seventy years spread the fingers of one 402 00:19:56,470 --> 00:19:53,749 hand let each finger point at a 403 00:19:59,560 --> 00:19:56,480 different person count all the fingers 404 00:20:02,499 --> 00:19:59,570 of those people since the first UFO 405 00:20:05,769 --> 00:20:02,509 story was told our planet has orbited 406 00:20:07,749 --> 00:20:05,779 its Sun that many times those who tell 407 00:20:10,479 --> 00:20:07,759 the stories have failed to produce 408 00:20:13,810 --> 00:20:10,489 supporting evidence of adequate quality 409 00:20:16,690 --> 00:20:13,820 for general belief however not only do 410 00:20:19,389 --> 00:20:16,700 the stories definitely exist they have 411 00:20:22,810 --> 00:20:19,399 been independently recorded for us by 412 00:20:26,259 --> 00:20:22,820 the movie industry movies after all 413 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:26,269 reflect rather than determine popular 414 00:20:31,659 --> 00:20:28,850 culture the purpose of nearly all movies 415 00:20:34,269 --> 00:20:31,669 is to sell tickets rather than get some 416 00:20:36,909 --> 00:20:34,279 important message across many movies 417 00:20:39,310 --> 00:20:36,919 have stemmed from the UFO subculture 418 00:20:41,739 --> 00:20:39,320 itself in particular both cultures 419 00:20:45,220 --> 00:20:41,749 follow that of the United States of 420 00:20:49,479 --> 00:20:45,230 America where 80% of reported abductions 421 00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:49,489 occur even before movies were invented 422 00:20:54,070 --> 00:20:51,679 we made up stories that reflected our 423 00:20:56,710 --> 00:20:54,080 belief systems many will have played 424 00:20:59,409 --> 00:20:56,720 that party game where someone leaves the 425 00:21:01,419 --> 00:20:59,419 room while a story is told the absent 426 00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:01,429 person returns and tries to establish 427 00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:03,200 the story by asking questions to be 428 00:21:09,220 --> 00:21:06,320 answered with a yes or no but there 429 00:21:12,129 --> 00:21:09,230 never was a story and the yes/no replies 430 00:21:15,249 --> 00:21:12,139 are actually determined by some 431 00:21:17,529 --> 00:21:15,259 arbitrary rule unaware the questioner 432 00:21:19,570 --> 00:21:17,539 constructs a story anyway and then 433 00:21:22,029 --> 00:21:19,580 passionately believes in it 434 00:21:24,340 --> 00:21:22,039 revealing various hidden psychological 435 00:21:27,279 --> 00:21:24,350 obsessions to the amusement of everyone 436 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:27,289 else movie films are a ready indicator 437 00:21:31,570 --> 00:21:29,090 of earthling culture 438 00:21:34,740 --> 00:21:31,580 and can be recalled unchanged and 439 00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:34,750 reviewed objectively many years later 440 00:21:40,930 --> 00:21:37,640 the rewriting of history by the UFO 441 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:40,940 subculture is interesting in itself for 442 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:43,970 example the Roswell incidence of 1947 443 00:21:50,380 --> 00:21:47,650 1948 were rapidly dismissed at the time 444 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:50,390 resurrected as an obscure story in about 445 00:21:55,150 --> 00:21:53,210 1980 and did not feature prominently 446 00:21:57,460 --> 00:21:55,160 until the 1990s 447 00:21:59,260 --> 00:21:57,470 now the exploiters are making a living 448 00:22:02,260 --> 00:21:59,270 out of them the half century since 449 00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:02,270 Kenneth Arnold's seminal sighting of the 450 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:05,840 24th of June 1947 can be readily divided 451 00:22:11,620 --> 00:22:08,330 up into six points of time a decade 452 00:22:14,290 --> 00:22:11,630 apart now after half a century of this 453 00:22:16,570 --> 00:22:14,300 tiresome phenomenon let us view the 454 00:22:19,150 --> 00:22:16,580 evidence of UFOs aliens and their 455 00:22:21,220 --> 00:22:19,160 messages at each decade of the 20th 456 00:22:23,980 --> 00:22:21,230 century first through the movie culture 457 00:22:26,590 --> 00:22:23,990 then through the UFO reports that have 458 00:22:30,370 --> 00:22:26,600 wasted so much popular time and 459 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:30,380 attention in 1947 movie science fiction 460 00:22:37,090 --> 00:22:33,770 was in its infancy typical movies of the 461 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:37,100 pre UFO culture that bear the subject 462 00:22:43,410 --> 00:22:39,890 Flash Gordon or the cartoon Marvin the 463 00:22:47,230 --> 00:22:43,420 Martian with its aliens like ourselves 464 00:22:50,650 --> 00:22:47,240 saving spending on special effects with 465 00:22:52,930 --> 00:22:50,660 small but bizarre differences the area 466 00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:52,940 on the top of the head of course the 467 00:22:57,910 --> 00:22:55,130 aliens came from planets with breathable 468 00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:57,920 atmosphere naturally spoke English wore 469 00:23:02,440 --> 00:22:59,600 shirts and trousers and were 470 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:02,450 chauvinistic towards females they were 471 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:06,410 so like us those very few UFOs seen 472 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:09,410 before 1947 and only considered to be 473 00:23:15,370 --> 00:23:13,010 spacecraft since 1947 tended to be made 474 00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:15,380 out of everyday materials such as wood 475 00:23:24,430 --> 00:23:20,480 and cloth ezekiel 600 bc saw men wheels 476 00:23:28,420 --> 00:23:24,440 and fire the american sighting of 1897 477 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:28,430 was described and drawn as an airship no 478 00:23:33,010 --> 00:23:30,050 other flying objects having been 479 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:33,020 invented at the time not only were the 480 00:23:38,290 --> 00:23:35,330 materials of these primordial UFOs 481 00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:38,300 limited to what was well known so was 482 00:23:42,490 --> 00:23:40,400 the technology with little interest 483 00:23:45,399 --> 00:23:42,500 being shown by humanity in 484 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:45,409 darn things might be able to fly people 485 00:23:49,930 --> 00:23:47,570 were more concerned that the UFO should 486 00:23:52,770 --> 00:23:49,940 have opening windows so the aliens could 487 00:23:55,890 --> 00:23:52,780 look out and maybe get some fresh air 488 00:23:59,279 --> 00:23:55,900 unlike the craft sightings of the pre 489 00:24:03,070 --> 00:23:59,289 1947 aliens stretched back to prehistory 490 00:24:05,950 --> 00:24:03,080 we can include God's Devils succubi and 491 00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:05,960 ghosts however none of these generally 492 00:24:12,250 --> 00:24:08,000 had attitudes towards humanity or 493 00:24:15,779 --> 00:24:12,260 messages for us after the 1947 and 1948 494 00:24:18,490 --> 00:24:15,789 UFO flaps things changed rapidly and 495 00:24:21,610 --> 00:24:18,500 before the first movies on this theme 496 00:24:24,700 --> 00:24:21,620 came out in about 1952 the UFO 497 00:24:27,820 --> 00:24:24,710 phenomenon had blossomed died down and 498 00:24:31,810 --> 00:24:27,830 became a laughingstock all round we had 499 00:24:36,039 --> 00:24:31,820 become UFO aware and already skeptical 500 00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:36,049 by 1957 a whole swag of flying saucer 501 00:24:41,500 --> 00:24:38,960 films had been made some very poor of 502 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:41,510 course but a few such as The Day the 503 00:24:46,810 --> 00:24:44,210 Earth Stood Still have become icons of 504 00:24:50,110 --> 00:24:46,820 popular culture even now who cannot 505 00:24:52,250 --> 00:24:50,120 repeat with joy and we use the movie 506 00:24:57,890 --> 00:24:52,260 soundtrack 507 00:24:57,900 --> 00:25:05,100 have to Barada nikto 508 00:25:11,230 --> 00:25:08,230 well perhaps samba knighted people cut 509 00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:11,240 anyway the shiny Flying Saucer 510 00:25:16,659 --> 00:25:13,760 and mighty alien robot have featured on 511 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:16,669 LP covers the posters of the film now 512 00:25:22,090 --> 00:25:19,490 sell at high prices and the film is 513 00:25:24,730 --> 00:25:22,100 still watched with respect the UFO 514 00:25:27,659 --> 00:25:24,740 reports in the 1950s tended to be of 515 00:25:30,159 --> 00:25:27,669 riveted unpainted sheetmetal 516 00:25:32,590 --> 00:25:30,169 contemporary with our own aircraft at 517 00:25:35,310 --> 00:25:32,600 the time their technology was more 518 00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:35,320 accessible to our understanding almost 519 00:25:40,810 --> 00:25:39,200 noble but just out of reach it was the 520 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:40,820 sort of thing we would have been 521 00:25:46,060 --> 00:25:43,970 developing 20 years later when indeed 522 00:25:48,519 --> 00:25:46,070 electrical engineering student 523 00:25:51,399 --> 00:25:48,529 colleagues of mine made a look-alike 524 00:25:53,649 --> 00:25:51,409 flying saucer for a project they even 525 00:25:56,380 --> 00:25:53,659 hovered and had moved along above a 526 00:25:59,740 --> 00:25:56,390 steel plate using heavy induction coils 527 00:26:02,200 --> 00:25:59,750 and incurring a vast electricity bill 528 00:26:05,470 --> 00:26:02,210 the aliens reported and often 529 00:26:08,919 --> 00:26:05,480 photographed in the 1950s war like us 530 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:08,929 the neat shirts and baggy trousers and 531 00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:11,770 short back inside greasy hair styles of 532 00:26:18,250 --> 00:26:14,809 contemporary human fashion they also 533 00:26:20,500 --> 00:26:18,260 wore the same chauvinism females being 534 00:26:23,260 --> 00:26:20,510 generally dismissed as insignificant by 535 00:26:25,389 --> 00:26:23,270 aliens and humans alike contemporary 536 00:26:27,460 --> 00:26:25,399 earthling culture included a post-war 537 00:26:30,820 --> 00:26:27,470 acknowledgement of military rank and 538 00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:30,830 power therefore the aliens commanded us 539 00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:33,289 and we listened with fear and respect 540 00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:35,600 they had dictatorial messages for 541 00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:40,000 Humanity such as stop fighting wars in 542 00:26:45,549 --> 00:26:43,039 the movies when this attitude got too 543 00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:45,559 exasperated or on suspicion that the 544 00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:47,840 aliens might be communists the 545 00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:50,000 Earthlings would start to shoot at the 546 00:26:55,659 --> 00:26:52,640 aliens with pistols sometimes the aliens 547 00:26:59,740 --> 00:26:55,669 retaliated with a ray gun and shot more 548 00:27:01,360 --> 00:26:59,750 accurately by 1967 our political and 549 00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:01,370 social climate had changed considerably 550 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:04,880 and our UFOs reflected this new 551 00:27:10,779 --> 00:27:07,850 happiness our society was fertile for 552 00:27:14,350 --> 00:27:10,789 the hippie revolution a military versus 553 00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:14,360 civilian schism had opened and people 554 00:27:20,130 --> 00:27:17,360 asking why we had so many atom bombs 555 00:27:23,380 --> 00:27:20,140 when we weren't fighting any wars a 556 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:23,390 significant movie of this era was dr. 557 00:27:28,330 --> 00:27:25,370 Strangelove or how I learned to stop 558 00:27:31,060 --> 00:27:28,340 worrying and love the bomb which showed 559 00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:31,070 a newfound contempt for authority and 560 00:27:35,710 --> 00:27:33,440 the underlying instability of its 561 00:27:37,780 --> 00:27:35,720 military power even though the audience 562 00:27:39,910 --> 00:27:37,790 had to draw its conclusions for 563 00:27:43,930 --> 00:27:39,920 themselves since no characters in the 564 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:43,940 movie stated them the 1960's UFOs also 565 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:46,610 showed marked improvements and now were 566 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:48,530 typically of molded plastic construction 567 00:27:55,270 --> 00:27:51,890 with smooth curved surfaces human 568 00:27:58,420 --> 00:27:55,280 imagination had widened so much that the 569 00:28:01,390 --> 00:27:58,430 UFO propulsion technology had lept ahead 570 00:28:03,910 --> 00:28:01,400 and now belonged about fifty years ahead 571 00:28:06,700 --> 00:28:03,920 of its time slightly ahead of what we 572 00:28:08,380 --> 00:28:06,710 could have now the typical pre hippie 573 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:08,390 aliens were beautiful humanoid 574 00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:11,330 characters having long blonde hair and a 575 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:14,000 serene expression a warm one-piece 576 00:28:19,930 --> 00:28:16,570 jumpsuits made of some incomprehensible 577 00:28:22,510 --> 00:28:19,940 high-tech silvery material the aliens 578 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:22,520 attitude was no longer commanding but 579 00:28:28,510 --> 00:28:26,090 more like advertising we ourselves had 580 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:28,520 evolved politically and were no longer 581 00:28:34,450 --> 00:28:31,250 ready to obey every command they spoke 582 00:28:37,870 --> 00:28:34,460 in soft reasonable voices messages to 583 00:28:40,930 --> 00:28:37,880 humanity were still patronizing but not 584 00:28:44,110 --> 00:28:40,940 in an aggressive manner stop testing 585 00:28:46,380 --> 00:28:44,120 atom bombs reflected a contemporary 586 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:46,390 obsession about politicians and military 587 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:48,770 sometimes the aliens offered to give 588 00:28:54,130 --> 00:28:50,930 their advanced technology to us if we 589 00:28:56,260 --> 00:28:54,140 could exhibit a bit more maturity we 590 00:28:58,960 --> 00:28:56,270 were as inquisitive children playing 591 00:29:01,660 --> 00:28:58,970 with fireworks handling power beyond our 592 00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:01,670 intellect and consequently in some great 593 00:29:08,500 --> 00:29:04,640 but unknown danger then our society 594 00:29:12,220 --> 00:29:08,510 moved along to 1977 and the aliens 595 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:12,230 changed with us the big movie of 1977 596 00:29:21,140 --> 00:29:14,810 was actually about aliens and was called 597 00:29:27,930 --> 00:29:25,460 it also gave rise to its own UFO flap 598 00:29:30,660 --> 00:29:27,940 comparing this cinematic confection with 599 00:29:33,900 --> 00:29:30,670 its precursors of 20 years before it 600 00:29:36,260 --> 00:29:33,910 reflected afar kindly attitude by humans 601 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:36,270 to ETS and vice versa 602 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:40,330 everybody empathized and became patchy 603 00:29:45,030 --> 00:29:42,730 feely nobody got shot at 604 00:29:47,340 --> 00:29:45,040 it was also far better made than 605 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:47,350 previous efforts and the box office 606 00:29:54,510 --> 00:29:50,770 returns of this investment showed that 607 00:29:57,660 --> 00:29:54,520 there was now big money in UFOs the 608 00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:57,670 alien craft of the 1970s had evolved 609 00:30:02,910 --> 00:30:00,640 from mysterious shapes of plastic to 610 00:30:05,580 --> 00:30:02,920 realistic shapes resembling our own 611 00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:05,590 aircraft we were getting fussier about 612 00:30:11,130 --> 00:30:08,320 our science except that film makers and 613 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:11,140 UFO devotees alike often forgot that 614 00:30:15,260 --> 00:30:14,290 aerodynamic styling is not necessary in 615 00:30:18,690 --> 00:30:15,270 outer space 616 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:18,700 UFO propulsion technology was understood 617 00:30:24,150 --> 00:30:21,610 to be far in advance of our own based on 618 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:24,160 atomic fusion for example the sort of 619 00:30:30,900 --> 00:30:27,250 thing humanity might achieve in 2100 620 00:30:32,910 --> 00:30:30,910 with considerable effort generally the 621 00:30:34,980 --> 00:30:32,920 aliens were willing to advance their 622 00:30:37,530 --> 00:30:34,990 advanced technology to us and now 623 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:37,540 without preconditions in human culture 624 00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:40,570 barmy theories of physics were appearing 625 00:30:46,410 --> 00:30:43,840 in quantity by the 1970s aliens had 626 00:30:49,290 --> 00:30:46,420 undergone a transformation from the 627 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:49,300 beautiful brainy beings towards a more 628 00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:51,970 grotesque form seen in the film star 629 00:30:57,150 --> 00:30:54,640 wars and et it is indicative of 630 00:30:59,640 --> 00:30:57,160 Spielberg's genius that he depicted 631 00:31:02,730 --> 00:30:59,650 aliens more in the style of the latter 632 00:31:03,270 --> 00:31:02,740 1980s or that his films drove this to 633 00:31:05,790 --> 00:31:03,280 happen 634 00:31:08,430 --> 00:31:05,800 the aliens also began to warn us instead 635 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:08,440 of instructing us stop polluting the 636 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:11,650 planet again reflecting the contemporary 637 00:31:18,570 --> 00:31:14,290 concerns of humanity a period of 638 00:31:20,690 --> 00:31:18,580 confusion followed and by 1987 we did 639 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:20,700 not really know where we were going 640 00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:24,010 culture development fashion pop music 641 00:31:28,650 --> 00:31:26,320 and even the UFO phenomenon all fell 642 00:31:31,130 --> 00:31:28,660 into a sort of suspended animation as 643 00:31:32,820 --> 00:31:31,140 humanity pursued a relentless greed 644 00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:32,830 spacey movies 645 00:31:37,860 --> 00:31:35,289 also went through a lean time but the 646 00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:37,870 New Zealand film the quiet earth was 647 00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:40,000 among the better ones this does not 648 00:31:45,299 --> 00:31:42,399 exhibit aliens but rather deals with an 649 00:31:47,700 --> 00:31:45,309 unknown interference with nature 650 00:31:50,130 --> 00:31:47,710 the central character wakes up to find 651 00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:50,140 all other humans have vanished without 652 00:31:53,070 --> 00:31:51,120 trace 653 00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:53,080 Joker's said that it was made in 654 00:31:59,130 --> 00:31:56,320 Auckland on a Sunday the very few aliens 655 00:32:01,919 --> 00:31:59,140 that were reported in the 1980s we were 656 00:32:04,909 --> 00:32:01,929 too interested in ourselves tended to be 657 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:04,919 small grotesque naked beings invoking 658 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:07,090 sympathy rather than fear 659 00:32:12,690 --> 00:32:10,330 they had human type weaknesses which 660 00:32:13,950 --> 00:32:12,700 even allowed us to have condescending 661 00:32:16,980 --> 00:32:13,960 attitudes towards them 662 00:32:17,970 --> 00:32:16,990 recall that ETS spacecraft took off 663 00:32:20,669 --> 00:32:17,980 without him 664 00:32:23,850 --> 00:32:20,679 the aliens attitude was more sympathetic 665 00:32:26,190 --> 00:32:23,860 than superior towards us as shown by 666 00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:26,200 their messages typically addressing us 667 00:32:32,009 --> 00:32:29,529 at the individual level instead of as 668 00:32:34,409 --> 00:32:32,019 part of humanity one of the many 669 00:32:39,210 --> 00:32:34,419 bleeding obvious messages to us from the 670 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:39,220 denizens of Thea Ober 1987 was don't 671 00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:42,370 trust politicians this appealed to 672 00:32:47,220 --> 00:32:44,559 individuals became more detailed in 673 00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:47,230 later years so that the aliens message 674 00:32:54,180 --> 00:32:50,799 of the car Hill sightings of 1993 had 675 00:32:57,149 --> 00:32:54,190 degenerated into look under the car a 676 00:33:01,049 --> 00:32:57,159 touching concern over loose mufflers 677 00:33:04,289 --> 00:33:01,059 alien spacecraft were also rarely seen 678 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:04,299 in the 1980s with far better earthling 679 00:33:09,810 --> 00:33:06,610 technology everybody now had a camera 680 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:09,820 and even less physical evidence for UFOs 681 00:33:15,090 --> 00:33:12,250 than usual abductees began to catch on 682 00:33:17,970 --> 00:33:15,100 stories that avoid the need for evidence 683 00:33:20,250 --> 00:33:17,980 and conspiracies began to be detected 684 00:33:23,250 --> 00:33:20,260 stories that are actually generated and 685 00:33:26,009 --> 00:33:23,260 supported by the lack of evidence the 686 00:33:29,370 --> 00:33:26,019 Roswell story reappeared in an obscure 687 00:33:31,620 --> 00:33:29,380 form as a conspiracy apologists were 688 00:33:34,649 --> 00:33:31,630 driven into saying that UFOs were a 689 00:33:39,539 --> 00:33:34,659 psychic phenomenon not a physical one 690 00:33:41,810 --> 00:33:39,549 and so to 1997 and what have we as the 691 00:33:44,370 --> 00:33:41,820 20th century draws to a close 692 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:44,380 contemporary movies include men in black 693 00:33:48,570 --> 00:33:46,810 and Roswell the former 694 00:33:50,700 --> 00:33:48,580 an excellent example of the art of 695 00:33:53,730 --> 00:33:50,710 special effects that should be seen by 696 00:33:56,250 --> 00:33:53,740 anyone who thinks that the 1995 alien 697 00:33:58,920 --> 00:33:56,260 autopsy film might have been hard to 698 00:34:00,900 --> 00:33:58,930 make the central tenant of both films is 699 00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:00,910 that the public are being willfully 700 00:34:06,450 --> 00:34:04,000 deceived by the authorities anyone in a 701 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:06,460 uniform is now a bad guy instead of a 702 00:34:11,850 --> 00:34:09,490 commanding authority and is still to be 703 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:11,860 feared but in a different way 704 00:34:17,940 --> 00:34:15,490 very few alien crafts are now seen human 705 00:34:21,149 --> 00:34:17,950 technology and awareness is now so 706 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:21,159 pervading inaccurate that we will no 707 00:34:25,919 --> 00:34:23,890 longer accept full story so readily a 708 00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:25,929 convincing advertisement for a mobile 709 00:34:31,230 --> 00:34:28,510 telephone shows us how frustrating it 710 00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:31,240 would be to observe a UFO and not have 711 00:34:37,050 --> 00:34:33,510 this particular product readily at hand 712 00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,060 nevertheless skillful UFO apologists 713 00:34:42,300 --> 00:34:39,520 have learned to exploit us 714 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:42,310 Stanton Freeman and many others making a 715 00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:44,530 living by charging $20 a seat for 716 00:34:50,940 --> 00:34:48,000 lectures of the same tired old material 717 00:34:54,810 --> 00:34:50,950 skillful handling of the media makes 718 00:34:56,669 --> 00:34:54,820 every Hall fill up there is a one 900 719 00:34:59,970 --> 00:34:56,679 number where you can report UFO 720 00:35:03,240 --> 00:34:59,980 sightings or listen to them but you pay 721 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:03,250 heavily for the call alien technology is 722 00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:06,370 now taken to be far far ahead of 723 00:35:10,940 --> 00:35:09,040 anything we could comprehend but the 724 00:35:14,460 --> 00:35:10,950 aliens themselves have become just 725 00:35:17,070 --> 00:35:14,470 ordinary folk from a society remote but 726 00:35:19,890 --> 00:35:17,080 like our own they reflect humanity's 727 00:35:23,010 --> 00:35:19,900 passions and fears but now these have 728 00:35:26,220 --> 00:35:23,020 become unpleasant the aliens have lost 729 00:35:28,140 --> 00:35:26,230 interest in helping us advising us or in 730 00:35:31,410 --> 00:35:28,150 sharing their advanced technology with 731 00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:31,420 us they prefer instead to abduct us and 732 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:33,760 investigate the naughty parts of our 733 00:35:39,210 --> 00:35:36,370 bodies despite all their wondrous 734 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:39,220 technology they still mirror our own 735 00:35:44,430 --> 00:35:42,130 repressed obsessions after half a 736 00:35:47,130 --> 00:35:44,440 century it has come to this how we 737 00:35:50,010 --> 00:35:47,140 ignored the sage wisdom of those early 738 00:35:53,490 --> 00:35:50,020 aliens they commanded us they tried to 739 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:53,500 advise us they warned us then they 740 00:35:59,549 --> 00:35:55,410 sympathized with us and now they are 741 00:36:02,160 --> 00:35:59,559 abusing us the age of innocence is over 742 00:36:04,709 --> 00:36:02,170 now aliens are exploiting us sexually 743 00:36:08,819 --> 00:36:04,719 while the UFO apologists exploit us 744 00:36:12,179 --> 00:36:08,829 commercially I wish those 1950s humanoid 745 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:12,189 aliens would come back they and we would 746 00:36:18,179 --> 00:36:14,410 speak the same language wear the same 747 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:18,189 clothes argue on equal terms maybe fire 748 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:29,870 and that was UFOs the first 50 years by 749 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:34,170 dr. Steve Roberts and not to Steve 750 00:36:44,510 --> 00:36:39,770 Roberts is still I think the prime UFO 751 00:36:45,950 --> 00:36:44,520 spokesperson for Australian skeptics and 752 00:36:47,780 --> 00:36:45,960 you can read that for yourself along 753 00:36:49,940 --> 00:36:47,790 with thousands of other articles and 754 00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:49,950 reports and interviews in those pages of 755 00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:51,599 the skeptic magazine the journal from 756 00:37:02,600 --> 00:36:54,560 Australian skeptics free to download at 757 00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:06,760 [Music] 758 00:37:11,849 --> 00:37:07,710 Wow 759 00:37:14,380 --> 00:37:11,859 [Music] 760 00:37:16,300 --> 00:37:14,390 Skeptical is Northern California's 761 00:37:19,450 --> 00:37:16,310 one-day conference for fans of 762 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:19,460 scientific skepticism our tenth 763 00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:21,770 conference will have the usual science 764 00:37:26,340 --> 00:37:23,920 and critical thinking presentations 765 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:26,350 exhibitors entertainment and 766 00:37:32,650 --> 00:37:28,850 opportunities for the local skeptical 767 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:32,660 community to meet and converse talks 768 00:37:38,650 --> 00:37:35,690 include investigating paranormal claims 769 00:37:42,580 --> 00:37:38,660 the beliefs behind conspiracy theories 770 00:37:46,050 --> 00:37:42,590 misconduct in scientific papers and the 771 00:37:48,910 --> 00:37:46,060 incredible rise of Flat Earth belief 772 00:37:52,420 --> 00:37:48,920 register now for the June 9th skeptic 773 00:37:55,230 --> 00:37:52,430 Alcon 2019 at the Hyatt Regency San 774 00:37:57,900 --> 00:37:55,240 Francisco hotel just near the airport 775 00:38:02,020 --> 00:37:57,910 check the website for the speaker list 776 00:38:05,570 --> 00:38:02,030 location and other information skeptic 777 00:38:12,980 --> 00:38:05,580 al con-com 778 00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:12,990 I am here at King O'Malley's Irish pub 779 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:14,400 in Canberra and I'm speaking with 780 00:38:18,050 --> 00:38:16,050 Kalinda Wilson Linda how're you going 781 00:38:18,650 --> 00:38:18,060 not too bad thanks how are you very well 782 00:38:20,990 --> 00:38:18,660 thank you 783 00:38:22,750 --> 00:38:21,000 no you just gave a fascinating talk on 784 00:38:25,580 --> 00:38:22,760 the reintroduction of native species 785 00:38:28,610 --> 00:38:25,590 into the a CT you tell us a little bit 786 00:38:30,620 --> 00:38:28,620 more about that yeah absolutely so my 787 00:38:33,370 --> 00:38:30,630 PhD project is all about 788 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:33,380 how to reintroduce a species 789 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:36,210 specifically a native kind of one that's 790 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:38,970 been missing from the acct for about 18 791 00:38:43,100 --> 00:38:41,490 years and that is that Eastern qual now 792 00:38:44,540 --> 00:38:43,110 many people don't know what an Eastern 793 00:38:47,570 --> 00:38:44,550 call is it's Sam 794 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:47,580 it's a little a little bit like a 795 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:49,410 smaller version of a Tasmanian Devil 796 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:52,170 essentially except instead of black and 797 00:38:57,470 --> 00:38:55,530 white it's it's got spots and yeah as a 798 00:38:59,720 --> 00:38:57,480 carnivore they do eat a lot of insects 799 00:39:01,550 --> 00:38:59,730 and small mammals and birds but they 800 00:39:04,780 --> 00:39:01,560 also scavenge as well much like the 801 00:39:08,060 --> 00:39:04,790 devil's so how do you go about 802 00:39:10,220 --> 00:39:08,070 reintroducing a species like that yeah 803 00:39:12,290 --> 00:39:10,230 it's um it's a difficult one and 804 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:12,300 involves a lot of I guess really 805 00:39:15,470 --> 00:39:13,650 thinking about how you're going to 806 00:39:18,590 --> 00:39:15,480 approach it from a strategic point of 807 00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:18,600 view and having a strategy means having 808 00:39:24,890 --> 00:39:23,040 a plan and in order to achieve your your 809 00:39:27,470 --> 00:39:24,900 goals you want to have the right tactics 810 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:27,480 so in the first year of the 811 00:39:33,410 --> 00:39:30,930 reintroduction back in 2016 we very 812 00:39:35,090 --> 00:39:33,420 quickly realized that well we were 813 00:39:37,610 --> 00:39:35,100 reintroducing them into a predator proof 814 00:39:40,250 --> 00:39:37,620 sanctuary however its predator proof for 815 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:40,260 the outside not so much for little ones 816 00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:41,970 climbing over and going into the 817 00:39:47,870 --> 00:39:44,640 surrounding landscape so some of the 818 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:47,880 calls and the duck yeah out and about in 819 00:39:52,370 --> 00:39:50,730 outside the sanctuary but what we 820 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:52,380 realized is that the majority of those 821 00:39:58,760 --> 00:39:56,010 escapees were males so in that way we 822 00:40:01,390 --> 00:39:58,770 wanted to adapt our tactics so in the 823 00:40:04,330 --> 00:40:01,400 second year we brought in females only 824 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:04,340 and not only that but they were burying 825 00:40:08,740 --> 00:40:05,810 pouch young at the time of 826 00:40:10,780 --> 00:40:08,750 transportation which is of course a 827 00:40:12,700 --> 00:40:10,790 little bit of a risk but something that 828 00:40:14,410 --> 00:40:12,710 we thought was really worth it because 829 00:40:18,190 --> 00:40:14,420 it would help them to anchor to the site 830 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:18,200 and establish a natal den and yeah 831 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:20,690 hopefully you just stay in Mulligan's 832 00:40:24,700 --> 00:40:22,370 flat and realize it's not such a bad 833 00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:24,710 place and something must have worked 834 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:26,720 because we ended up with about 92% 835 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:28,970 survival in the second year so better 836 00:40:33,310 --> 00:40:31,490 than you could ever hope tell us about 837 00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:33,320 what you had to do to track them down 838 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:36,880 when they were in the habitation area oh 839 00:40:43,090 --> 00:40:40,610 my goodness spent many long hours out in 840 00:40:47,830 --> 00:40:43,100 the box gum grassy woodlands with radio 841 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:47,840 tracking apparatus pinging away and just 842 00:40:52,270 --> 00:40:49,970 listening for where the signal was 843 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:52,280 strongest and each qual had its own 844 00:40:55,870 --> 00:40:54,050 radio color so its own specific 845 00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:55,880 frequency so we could find each 846 00:41:01,540 --> 00:40:58,370 individual but yeah I managed to radio 847 00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:01,550 track one outside the sanctuary it had 848 00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:04,160 hid itself under a porch in the 849 00:41:09,130 --> 00:41:06,560 neighboring community so out the front 850 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:09,140 of someone's house and put a few traps 851 00:41:12,670 --> 00:41:11,090 out and she walked right in so we were 852 00:41:14,170 --> 00:41:12,680 able to get her back and put it back in 853 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:14,180 the sanctuary and that was that was 854 00:41:21,700 --> 00:41:17,330 really nice and one of the results being 855 00:41:24,190 --> 00:41:21,710 for the experiments with trial for the 856 00:41:26,740 --> 00:41:24,200 trial so yeah the first year we ended up 857 00:41:29,950 --> 00:41:26,750 with 50% survival the second year due to 858 00:41:32,530 --> 00:41:29,960 our adaptation of our tactics we had 92% 859 00:41:35,230 --> 00:41:32,540 and then in the third year similar 860 00:41:37,060 --> 00:41:35,240 levels again so we really kind of nailed 861 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:37,070 those tactics and so we're starting to 862 00:41:42,310 --> 00:41:40,610 move out of the trial um kind of scheme 863 00:41:44,530 --> 00:41:42,320 of the reintroduction into the 864 00:41:46,510 --> 00:41:44,540 full-fledged part of the part of it and 865 00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:46,520 that's about bringing in the most 866 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:48,800 genetically valuable animal 867 00:41:54,430 --> 00:41:51,770 as well so some of our animals from the 868 00:41:56,170 --> 00:41:54,440 first two years came from a our sister 869 00:41:58,930 --> 00:41:56,180 Sanctuary down in Melbourne called Mount 870 00:42:00,820 --> 00:41:58,940 Rothwell but nowadays we're bringing 871 00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:00,830 them straight from Tasmania so the wild 872 00:42:06,370 --> 00:42:04,400 populations that are have really unique 873 00:42:10,510 --> 00:42:06,380 genetics are not represented anywhere 874 00:42:14,830 --> 00:42:10,520 else and so what other plans do you have 875 00:42:17,290 --> 00:42:14,840 for this reinter reintroduction well 876 00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:17,300 we're getting towards the pointy end the 877 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:19,280 last reintroduction will be happening in 878 00:42:24,220 --> 00:42:21,410 the next few months and after that it'll 879 00:42:26,050 --> 00:42:24,230 be hands off for the population I'll 880 00:42:28,810 --> 00:42:26,060 still be of course out there monitoring 881 00:42:31,930 --> 00:42:28,820 the mall going out at 2:00 a.m. in the 882 00:42:33,310 --> 00:42:31,940 morning to go check my traps and weigh 883 00:42:35,740 --> 00:42:33,320 them and make sure they pass young 884 00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:35,750 they're progressing well but yeah it'll 885 00:42:40,090 --> 00:42:37,520 be mostly about monitoring them from 886 00:42:41,620 --> 00:42:40,100 this stage and seeing how they go okay 887 00:42:43,450 --> 00:42:41,630 thank you very much that's that's 888 00:42:45,260 --> 00:42:43,460 excellent good luck thank you very much 889 00:43:04,040 --> 00:42:45,270 for having me 890 00:43:10,020 --> 00:43:08,460 olace less habla Paola the de l'air 891 00:43:13,020 --> 00:43:10,030 Moses with other Buenos Aires in 892 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:13,030 Argentina when the couch ammos podcasts 893 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:14,770 a couch ahmo's mimic a couch a todo el 894 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:18,130 mundo como the skeptic zone ojala pueden 895 00:43:22,650 --> 00:43:20,530 venir a visit Ana's algun dia hace para 896 00:43:30,030 --> 00:43:22,660 makan Westra rikishi Mikami de-localized 897 00:43:31,950 --> 00:43:30,040 yeah podemos Yerevan tango mientras 898 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:31,960 tanto sugandha fruit and OD pseudo see 899 00:43:39,410 --> 00:43:33,370 Simonelli ciencia de pensamiento 900 00:43:39,420 --> 00:43:46,329 [Music] 901 00:43:54,450 --> 00:43:51,289 here's Maynard spooky action at a 902 00:43:58,600 --> 00:43:56,800 we're company you from the Madame frou 903 00:44:00,250 --> 00:43:58,610 frou cafe here in Cleveland with Maynard 904 00:44:02,530 --> 00:44:00,260 Maynard we've got a big movie night 905 00:44:04,780 --> 00:44:02,540 coming up next week for Sidney listeners 906 00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:04,790 that's right it's all evidence-based the 907 00:44:09,220 --> 00:44:06,710 entire movie I would say in fact I would 908 00:44:11,980 --> 00:44:09,230 say it's more of a documentary the 1968 909 00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:11,990 documentary Barbarella that stars Jane 910 00:44:16,090 --> 00:44:14,480 Fonda's kind of a hosts you can consider 911 00:44:18,190 --> 00:44:16,100 her a host as she takes us through the 912 00:44:20,380 --> 00:44:18,200 wonderful worlds that she's looking in 913 00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:20,390 search of the desperately named bad guy 914 00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:22,250 whose name I can't say because it would 915 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:25,040 give away part of the plot it's right 916 00:44:29,860 --> 00:44:27,170 and how can people come along and enjoy 917 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:29,870 this movie night which is on the wind 918 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:33,650 which is on Tuesday to say the fall for 919 00:44:37,390 --> 00:44:36,170 yeah a Tuesday the fourth it's a red bar 920 00:44:39,820 --> 00:44:37,400 you can get your tickets of course by 921 00:44:41,470 --> 00:44:39,830 just going to Maynard comdata you 922 00:44:42,940 --> 00:44:41,480 there'll be a link there to Lance 923 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:42,950 Leppard and myself presenting it see 924 00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:44,690 Lance brings the camp and I bring the 925 00:44:48,010 --> 00:44:46,130 trap basically that's the way the show 926 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:48,020 goes and we'll be talking about the 927 00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:49,370 whole thing beforehand showing a couple 928 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:51,440 of shorts and just enjoying yourself 929 00:44:56,860 --> 00:44:53,690 it's kind of like I'm watching movie in 930 00:44:59,290 --> 00:44:56,870 a bar and but you know but we say a few 931 00:45:00,600 --> 00:44:59,300 things during the movie and we kind of 932 00:45:03,010 --> 00:45:00,610 enjoy ourselves and it's basically 933 00:45:05,140 --> 00:45:03,020 there'll be some prizes to give away I 934 00:45:07,150 --> 00:45:05,150 think I'll be dressing as Captain Kirk 935 00:45:08,530 --> 00:45:07,160 because that's the best I can do I had a 936 00:45:10,510 --> 00:45:08,540 look at my costumes last night the most 937 00:45:12,430 --> 00:45:10,520 Barbarella I've got is my Captain Kirk 938 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:12,440 Star Trek outfit which was made for me 939 00:45:15,580 --> 00:45:14,330 so it's not cheap one like the pajamas 940 00:45:17,020 --> 00:45:15,590 I'm wearing the good one 941 00:45:19,180 --> 00:45:17,030 so I'll be there as Captain Kirk Lantz 942 00:45:20,860 --> 00:45:19,190 apparently wants to bring the Barbarella 943 00:45:23,170 --> 00:45:20,870 he's gonna bring wear a black silk robe 944 00:45:24,610 --> 00:45:23,180 and black pajamas as well so I don't 945 00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:24,620 know what he thinks he's coming as but 946 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:25,730 between the two of us we should be 947 00:45:28,290 --> 00:45:26,690 having a night there we've got 948 00:45:31,540 --> 00:45:28,300 Barbarella and I can now reveal that 949 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:31,550 it's Barbarella this month and next 950 00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:32,930 month which will be the second of July 951 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:33,920 we'll be having 952 00:45:38,530 --> 00:45:36,410 Flash Gordon that's right the 1980 953 00:45:40,510 --> 00:45:38,540 Queen's soundtrack spectacular Flash 954 00:45:42,460 --> 00:45:40,520 Gordon that's next month but this month 955 00:45:43,930 --> 00:45:42,470 Barbarella and then the month after that 956 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:43,940 I don't know what we'll have but uh I'm 957 00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:46,490 thinking I was thinking maybe Breakfast 958 00:45:51,370 --> 00:45:48,800 at Tiffany's is on the cards maybe the 959 00:45:52,750 --> 00:45:51,380 princess Brides on the cards in fact I 960 00:45:54,310 --> 00:45:52,760 made a shortlist maybe can't stop the 961 00:45:56,310 --> 00:45:54,320 music is on there's a you know basically 962 00:45:58,770 --> 00:45:56,320 I'm gonna choose from Mike 963 00:46:01,050 --> 00:45:58,780 trap of crap I have at home to bring 964 00:46:02,730 --> 00:46:01,060 along but you know every movie we we we 965 00:46:04,650 --> 00:46:02,740 show is a classic in its own way it's 966 00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:04,660 over I'll see it Barbarella on Tuesday 967 00:46:08,700 --> 00:46:06,250 nights Sidney skeptical listeners and 968 00:46:10,170 --> 00:46:08,710 chip your skepticism at the door this 969 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:10,180 will be a lot of non evidence-based 970 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:12,010 action going on in that movie I think if 971 00:46:15,390 --> 00:46:13,090 there's a few things that are just plain 972 00:46:17,460 --> 00:46:15,400 wrong in the movie as well which is why 973 00:46:19,260 --> 00:46:17,470 we're showing it and when you do check 974 00:46:21,390 --> 00:46:19,270 your skepticism at the door you'll be 975 00:46:23,130 --> 00:46:21,400 checking it with me because I should be 976 00:46:25,710 --> 00:46:23,140 at the door to greet you when you are 977 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:25,720 there anyway check it out may not calm 978 00:46:30,180 --> 00:46:28,210 donae you and on the night Richard will 979 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:30,190 be playing the part of pygar which will 980 00:46:58,329 --> 00:46:55,750 thank you for listening to the skeptic 981 00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:58,339 zone and for those people listening in 982 00:47:04,589 --> 00:47:00,560 Sydney maybe I'll see you on Tuesday 983 00:47:06,670 --> 00:47:04,599 night at me nerds movie night in glebe 984 00:47:10,450 --> 00:47:06,680 also this week in Sydney we have 985 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:10,460 skeptics in the pub on Thursday night at 986 00:47:15,099 --> 00:47:13,010 the Occidental hotel just near winded 987 00:47:16,810 --> 00:47:15,109 train station for more information I'll 988 00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:16,820 put a link in this week's show notes or 989 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:19,490 you can just google Sydney skeptics in 990 00:47:23,470 --> 00:47:21,290 the pub and thank you to those new 991 00:47:25,810 --> 00:47:23,480 people have recently joined patreon to 992 00:47:28,750 --> 00:47:25,820 help support the show some people are 993 00:47:30,849 --> 00:47:28,760 chipping in $5.00 a month and that is 994 00:47:33,099 --> 00:47:30,859 much appreciated and it means I can keep 995 00:47:36,190 --> 00:47:33,109 doing the show I can buy equipment I can 996 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:36,200 pay for expenses and things like that 997 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:39,650 and it just means that everybody 998 00:47:43,359 --> 00:47:42,530 hopefully can enjoy the skeptic zone but 999 00:47:45,070 --> 00:47:43,369 for this week 1000 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:45,080 this is Richard Saunders signing off 1001 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:51,770 from Sydney Australia you've been 1002 00:48:00,730 --> 00:47:53,810 listening to the skeptic zone podcast 1003 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